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two isomorphic $C(ℝ)$-modules whose presentation matrices are not equivalent

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hbghlyj Posted 2023-3-4 07:20 |Read mode
Show that if $R$ is the ring of continuous functions on $ℝ$ with pointwise addition and multiplication then there are $A, B ∈ M_1(R)$ with $A ≁ B$, and for which $R^1/R^1A$ is $R$-linearly isomorphic to $R^1/R^1B$.



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$\ker_F (R.) \cong \ker_F (R'.)$ does not imply: $R$ and $R'$ are equivalent matrices

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Czhang271828 Posted 2023-3-4 13:47
Last edited by Czhang271828 2023-3-6 22:37Proposition 1 Let $R$ be any commutative ring. $I$ and $J$ are ideals of $R$. If $R/I\simeq R/J$ as $R$-modules with the standard $R$-module structure, then $I=J$. In other words, isomorphic modules have the same annihilators.

Proof of Prop 1 For isomorphic $R$-modules $\varphi: R/I\simeq R/J$ and arbitrary $x\in J$, we have that
$$
\varphi (x+I)=x\varphi(1+I)=x(1+J)=0+J.
$$
Thus $x+I\in \mathrm{ker}(\varphi)$. Since $\varphi $ is isomorphism, we have that $x\in I$. It yields that $J\subseteq I$. Similarly, $I\subseteq J$, thus we have $I=J$.

Proposition 2 Let $R$ be any commutative ring. $I$ and $J$ are ideals of $R$. The ring isomorphism $\varphi :R/I\simeq R/J$ no longer implies $I\simeq J$. Here $\varphi$ preserves $\{+,\cdot ,0,1\}$. In other words, isomorphic quotient rings have the isomorphic annihilators.

Proof of Prop 2 A counterexample: (1) set $R:=\mathcal C^0(\mathbb R,\mathbb R)$, $R/(x)\simeq R/(x-1)$ by translation. (2) For any commutative ring $A$, $(A\times A)/(0\times A)\simeq (A\times A)/(A\times 0)$.

Lemma 0 This lemma may help with your initial question. Set $R:=\mathcal C^0(\mathbb R,\mathbb R)$. If we have principal ideals $(f)=(g)$, then there exists invertible $h\in R$ such that $fh=g$.

Proof of Lemma 0 There exsits $h,h'\in R$ such that $fh=g$ and $gh'=f$. Since $fhh'=f$, $gh'h=g$, we have that $hh'=1$ on $\overline{\mathrm{supp}(f)}=\overline{\mathrm{supp}(g)}$, which is the disjoint union of closed intervals.

Set $\overline{\mathrm{supp}(f)}=\mathbb R\setminus (0,1)$ without the loss of generality. Since $h$ and $h'$ are uniformly continuous on $[-1,0]$ and $[1,2]$, they are bounded. Let $h_-$ (resp. $h_+$) be the restriction of $h$ on $(-\infty,0]$ (resp. $[1,+\infty)$), so is $h'_-$ (resp. $h'_+$). We proved that
$$
S=\{h_-(0),h_-'(0),h_+(1),h_+'(1)\}
$$
is bounded. Since $h_-(0)h'_-(0)=h_+(1)h'_+(1)=1$​, $0\notin S$​. Define
$$
\tilde h(x)=\left\{\begin{align*}
&|h(x)|&&x\in \overline{\mathrm{supp}(f)},\\
&|h(0)|(1-x)+|h(1)|x&&x\in(0,1).
\end{align*}\right.
$$
Set $\tilde h'(x)=1/\tilde h(x)$. Here $\tilde h(x)$ and $\tilde h'(x)$ are non-vanishing and thus invertible. Then we have either
$$
f\tilde h=g\quad g\tilde h'=f,
$$
or
$$
(f-2f_+)\tilde h=(g-2g_+)\quad (g-2g_+)\tilde h'=(f-2f_+).
$$
Here we have the same ideals $(f)=(f-2f_+)$ and $(g)=(g-2g_+)$.

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**Question.** Set $R:=$ the ring of continuous functions from $\mathbb R$ to $\mathbb R$.
We say $f,g\in R$ are equivalent, whenever there exists invertible $h_1,h_2\in R$ such that $h_1 fh_2=g$.
Let $(\tau)$ be the principal ideal generated by $\tau\in R$.
We shall prove that $R/(f)$ and $R/(g)$ are isomorphic $R$-modules whenever $f$ and $g$ are almost equivalent.

**Proof.**  When $f$ and $g$ are equivalent, there exists invertible $r\in R$ such that $f=gr$. Then we have the following isomorphism
$$
\varphi :R/(f)\to R/(g)\quad \overline{h}\mapsto \overline{hr}.
$$
To see this,

1. $\varphi(\overline 0)=\varphi(\overline {f})=\overline{fr}=\overline g=\overline 0$, thus $\varphi$ preserves $0$.
2. $\varphi$ preserves the structure of additive group.
3. $\varphi (h\cdot \overline p)=\overline {hpr}=h\overline {pr}=h\cdot \varphi(\overline p)$.

Clearly, $\varphi$ is an homomorphism with inverse
$$
\varphi^{-1} :R/(g)\to R/(f)\quad \overline{h}\mapsto \overline{hr^{-1}}.
$$
Thus is an isomorphism.

We say $f$ and $g$ are almost equivalent, the sets of zeros differ on finite points. Here we only need to prove $R/(x)\simeq R/(1)$ and use induction. Define
$$
\varphi:R/(1)\to R/(x),\quad \overline{f(x)-f(\epsilon)}\mapsto \overline{f(x)-x\epsilon^{-1}f(\epsilon)}.
$$
Here we fix $\epsilon$ such that $f(\epsilon )\neq 0\neq g(\epsilon)$. We see $\varphi$ is a bijection, since both $f(x)-f(\epsilon)$ and $f(x)-x\epsilon^{-1}f(\epsilon)$ are unique representative element in the corresponding equivalence classes.

The converse part is similar.

Here a new question is raised, do we have $\overline{\mathrm{supp}}(f)=\overline{\mathrm{supp}}(g)$ whenever $R/(f)=R/(g)$? I believe the answer is Yes.

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 Author| hbghlyj Posted 2023-3-4 22:19
Last edited by hbghlyj 2023-3-4 23:16
Czhang271828 发表于 2023-3-4 06:47
definitions of $R'$, $M_1$?
$R^1$ is the free module of rank 1 over $R$ (it is just $R$).
$M_1(R)$ is $1\times1$ matrices over $R$ (it is just $R$).
There's no $R'$ in the problem.

About $R'$ in that PDF: I searched up that PDF on Google, but it's not a part of the problem, though it seems to be related

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Czhang271828 Posted 2023-3-4 23:22
hbghlyj 发表于 2023-3-4 22:19
$R^1$ is the free module of rank 1 over $R$ (it is just $R$).
$M_1$ is $1\times1$ matrices over $R$ ...
$A\sim B$ means $A=B$. For nonzero $A$, $A\not\sim 2A$, but $R/AR=R/2AR$.  

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 Author| hbghlyj Posted 2023-3-5 03:52
According to Wikipedia, $A\sim B$ doesn't imply $A=B$. It means $\operatorname{rank}A=\operatorname{rank}B$.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_equivalence
Matrix equivalence is an equivalence relation on the space of rectangular matrices.
For two rectangular matrices of the same size, their equivalence can also be characterized by the following conditions
$\bullet\;$The matrices can be transformed into one another by a combination of elementary row and column operations.
$\bullet\;$Two matrices are equivalent if and only if they have the same rank.

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 Author| hbghlyj Posted 2023-3-5 06:15
Czhang271828 发表于 2023-3-4 16:22
For nonzero $A$, $A\not\sim 2A$, but $R/AR=R/2AR$.
$A=(2I)A$, so $A\sim2A$

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Czhang271828 Posted 2023-3-5 13:59
hbghlyj 发表于 2023-3-5 03:52
According to Wikipedia, $A\sim B$ doesn't imply $A=B$. It means $\operatorname{rank}A=\operatorname ...
You should first clarify what $\sim$ stands for, since $\sim$ means equivalence relation of similar matrices in most of the time.

Back to your question, $A\sim B$ whenever there exists invertible $C$ and $D$ such that $CAD=B$. In $\mathcal C(\mathbb R)$ sense, $C$ and $D$ are continuous functions without zeros. Set $A:f(x)\mapsto x\cdot f(x)$, $B:f(x)\mapsto (x-1)f(x)$. Then $A\not \sim B$. However, $R/AR$ is $\mathbb R$-linearly isomorphic to $R/BR$ by translating $\overline{f(t)}\mapsto \overline{f(t-1)}$.

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 Author| hbghlyj Posted 2023-3-5 19:40
Czhang271828 发表于 2023-3-5 06:59
However, $R/AR$ is $\mathbb R$-linearly isomorphic to $R/BR$ by translating $\overline{f(t)}\mapsto \overline{f(t-1)}$.

I don't think $\phi:\overline{f(t)}\mapsto \overline{f(t-1)}$ is $R$-linear?
$\phi((x+1)\times (x+1))=x^2$
$(x+1)\times\phi(x+1)=x(x+1)$
But $x^2+R^1B\ne x(x+1)+R^1B$
since $x^2|_{x=1}=1\ne 2=x(x+1)|_{x=1}$

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Czhang271828 Posted 2023-3-5 22:25
hbghlyj 发表于 2023-3-5 19:40
I don't think $\phi:\overline{f(t)}\mapsto \overline{f(t-1)}$ is $R$-linear?
$\phi((x+1)\ti ...
The question is restated and answered in $\#2$.

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 Author| hbghlyj Posted 2023-3-6 18:48
Sorry, I read your post but still can't find $A, B ∈ M_1(R)$ that satisfy the conditions in the question

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See $\#2$ again.  Posted 2023-3-6 20:46

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